Pet Peeve of the Random Time Increment

[nobleplatypus]

I really, really hate it when people act like reproduction is the meaning of life.

I hate it when idiots assert that humanity's meaning is tied up in the same base instinctual drives that every other creature possesses. I hate it when they act like this "knowledge" is something to be smug about, like all the fools who think otherwise will soon see the error of their ways. I hate it when they cite Darwin, who must be rolling in his grave to hear his theory so misapplied.

If the meaning of life was procreation--if that is all anyone honestly cared about, if that was the only thing many people found important--there wouldn't be a theory of evolution. There wouldn't be literature, there wouldn't be science, we'd still be in the damn TREES because our innate curiosity would have taken a back seat to the Grand Purpose of banging the nearest member of the opposite sex. Darwin had ten children as is; do you think he would have set foot on the Beagle if he thought procreation was the be all and end all of his existence?

But what annoys me most is the ingratitude these idiots demonstrate with their dumbing down of humanity, the lack of appreciation for the gifts we have been given. Don't they realize how great and special it is that human beings are the only creatures on earth who can defy instinct? It's like whining, "I can't believe God gave me self-awareness, curiosity, and a moral compass for Christmas instead of the fuck-buddy I asked for! I'm not writing a thank-you note!"

No.

I would say "fuck you," but I don't think anyone should.



(x-posted)

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[ruth-the-sleuth.livejournal.com]

I love you.

[nobleplatypus]

I love you, too! :) *hug*

[monakoza.livejournal.com]

Amen to that, I agree with you 100%.

[nobleplatypus]

:)

Can't decide if I should cross-post it to asexuality or not. Hmm.

[monakoza.livejournal.com]

Hm, I don't know. A lot of them don't want kids either and have the same views. I guess it wouldn't hurt, if you wanted to. Why don't you want to?

[nobleplatypus]

It's not that I don't want to, I'm just unsure as to its relevance. But it was half-inspired by the comm, soooo... *trots off*

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Hey, don't be so harsh on the fucking - it's not that bad. *G* (Especially if it's between pretty boys, but that's another discussion.)

One can have plenty of hetero fucking without reproduction. Of course, the impediment to that is current guiding thought in some places that women shouldn't be allowed access to tubal ligations, the morning-after pill, abortions, or - in some quarters - even basic birth control! (I know you've read the same entries I have about men not having nearly as hard a time getting vasectomies as women do securing THEIR basic reproductive rights. And we have a mutual friend who couldn't get a hysterectomy if Bill Gates paid for it, even though she medically requires it for improved health and well-being.)

[nobleplatypus]

It's not the fucking that bothers me, it's the notion that it's the Meaning of Life. ;)

[damn-tatterhood.livejournal.com]

"I can't believe God gave me self-awareness, curiosity, and a moral compass for Christmas instead of the fuck-buddy I asked for! I'm not writing a thank-you note!"


I humbly request that you marry me immediately.

[nobleplatypus]

*bows*

I had fun writing that line.

[frazzylou.livejournal.com]

I concur!

It is after all God's will that we get married and procreate.

Ah damn, that's not gonna work!

*sporfle* Still love the line. ^__^

[nobleplatypus]

*squees over your icon* I want the tenth doctor on Sci-Fi noooowww!

Hehehe, I've gotten two marriage proposals in one day! This is a historic event.

[frazzylou.livejournal.com]

Rofl, you can have that icon if you like it too. In fact, you can have any of my icons, they're all stolen. I just forget to credit people 'cos I take so many. *whistles*

Love Ten though. So cool!

[frazzylou.livejournal.com]

Well, I posted my views on the asexuality x-post because they're more helpful over there, although I can be slightly more profane here. ;)

Sometimes I wonder if these people have suffered a lobotomy of some kind or something. I mean, do they seriously expect people to sit around going 'OMG, I haven't procreated yet, I will never know the joyous, child-filled, meaning of life! Woe is me!'? People who can't (or won't) have children still manage to live interesting and productive lives. Not everyone has to contribute to society via their loins, and to be honest, I'd prefer it if less people did. There are far too many humans screwing up the planet anyway!

/rant

[nobleplatypus]

Yay profanity!!

Not everyone has to contribute to society via their loins, and to be honest, I'd prefer it if less people did. There are far too many humans screwing up the planet anyway!

AMEN. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[metalkatt.livejournal.com]

This is why I support the Anthonian idea of mass sterilisation. People need to be forced to take classes to be parents, and prove that they can afford to take care of children. When Billy Bob Brown and Cindy Lou Who deside they wanna have a bay-bee, they'll have to go to college and get good jobs... and hopefully, after widening their experiences, see that there's other stuff out there than getting knocked up and living on welfare.

*snugs you*

[nobleplatypus]

...And instead, we're drifting in the opposite direction, and every female on earth is a shrine to the Almighty Fetus.

*snugs back*

[metalkatt.livejournal.com]

Quoth the Foamy, "Fuck that shit."

(Apologies for the language, but I love to bastardise The Raven.)

[nobleplatypus]

Don't we all? ;)

[clevernamehere.livejournal.com]

Word, yo.

[nobleplatypus]

STILL. ICON. LOVE.

Did you make it? Can I steal it?? *covets*

[clevernamehere.livejournal.com]

Haha. Alas, no, I didn't make it. reiko_ctu did(I would do the hyperlink thing but I can't remember how). But she put them up in an icon community, so I think it'd be fine if you steal it, as long as you credit.

I like this one as well. I didn't know you watched Firefly!

[nobleplatypus]

...I actually don't watch Firefly. >_> I just thought the quote was hilarious.

[clevernamehere.livejournal.com]

....Oh. Well you should! :-p But yes, I agree, the wuote is hilarious.

[clevernamehere.livejournal.com]

And by wuote I mean quote.

[fleurdelista.livejournal.com]

i would like to metaquote the fuckbuddy line if i could :)

[nobleplatypus]

Go right ahead. ^_^

[fleurdelista.livejournal.com]

done! (http://community.livejournal.com/metaquotes/5332236.html)

[squid314.livejournal.com]

I think overall you're right and I love your metaphor...but just to defend evolution for a second. Evolution doesn't predict that reproduction should overwhelm drives like intelligence and morality, nor is the existence of such drives outside the explanatory range of evolution. Evolution predicts that drives like intelligence and morality will exist to serve the need to reproduce. Human beings are intelligent because smarter proto-humans were better able to figure out how to get food and resist predators, and therefore could reproduce more. We're moral because a society in which each human is willing to sacrifice him or herself for the good of the group is a more cohesive society and, on average, is able to reproduce more (source: studies with prairie dogs (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-inclusive-fitness.htm)). As such, I don't believe we ever defy our instinctual drives, only strike a balance between various instinctual drives of different levels, all of which originally existed to perpetuate genetic material.

(This is all sort of reminding me of Paul Erdös and his "Sex is the mathematics urge sublimated" spiel)

But to treat evolution as if it has feelings or preferences is silly. It sounds like the people about whom you're talking want to think that you're somehow offending evolution and making baby Darwin cry. On the other hand, for you to accuse people with a stronger sex drive than intellectual drive of "ingratitude" sounds like the same "heresy". From an evolutionary standpoint, there is no meaning to life that makes one set of drives better than another. Evolution is just the observation that things that self-perpetuate tend to be around more than things that don't.

I hope you don't mind that detailed and contrarian a response. If you ask me not to do it again, I'll listen.

[nobleplatypus]

On the other hand, for you to accuse people with a stronger sex drive than intellectual drive of "ingratitude" sounds like the same "heresy".

But that's not what I'm trying to do. I'm not saying that any particular drive is more important than the other, I'm saying that to focus on any one individual thing and act as if that's everything is limiting and, to an extent, ungrateful because there's more to life than any one thing. Evolution isn't really what I was trying to focus on.

And you should probably know this was prompted, yet again, by someone on the asexual community (someone commented on her Coming Out post and told her that because she didn't want children, she had "lost the game of life." WTF).

I just wandered in from metaquotes...

[banshea.livejournal.com]

In other words, I think you're saying, the original post is valid when the reproductive urge is considered on a purely individual level. It is not programmed into each and every human that they, personally, must breed. However, evolution has taken humanity in a direction in which survival -- and, with it, reproduction -- of the species as a whole is tantamount.

Re: I just wandered in from metaquotes...

[squid314.livejournal.com]

Fine, explain exactly what I was trying unsuccessfully to say in three simple and perfectly clear sentences, why don't you? ;)

Re: I just wandered in from metaquotes...

[banshea.livejournal.com]

Okay, but you should keep in mind that without your comment I'd probably be asked to explain the three sentences in more detail. ;)

Here from Metaquotes

[oceanica.livejournal.com]

You win at life. I'd ask you to marry me, but apparently others have beat me to it.

Re: Here from Metaquotes

[nobleplatypus]

Awww, thanks! :)

Someday, when my parents start to complain about my lack of a spouse, I will be able to tell them that I have received no less than five marriage proposals over the internet. Then they will be cheered.

[pajanada.livejournal.com]

Lol, I tried to reply to you and ended up posting on metaquotes by mistake...as you will see from this exchange.

"I can't believe God gave me self-awareness, curiosity, and a moral compass for Christmas instead of the fuck-buddy I asked for! I'm not writing a thank-you note!"

I really liked your whole post, lol that laat line, somebody metaquoted you which is how I got to see it. I hope it's ok that I added you, I will be interested to see what else write.

I see you are APOD, maybe you will enjoy my infrequent posts...they are some of the photos for use in my Astronomy course.
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fleurdelista
2006-07-24 02:48 am UTC (link)
psst. you posted this in metaquotes.
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pajanada
2006-07-24 03:04 am UTC (link)
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Hahahaha...damn...now you see what I mean about infrequent posts! I hardly know how to use this. Anyway, I thought it was a good post...whoever/wherever it came from.
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[nobleplatypus]

More friends, woo! Add away!

Oooh, I LOVE astronomy-related stuffs. :D

ok

[1withchipmunks.livejournal.com]

Is this random? or did something remind you of it and it's been stewing in you forever and you just waited to burst?

Re: ok

[nobleplatypus]

Nope, it's random. Such is the nature of my rage. ;)

another stray from metaquotes

[wenelda.livejournal.com]

very amusing post. i was wondering if you wouldn't mind me adding you. we seem to have quite a bit in common, and despite whatever my userinfo says i like adding new people who are intelligent. :) plus it's always nice to meet other english lit majors.

Re: another stray from metaquotes

[nobleplatypus]

I will always be glad to add an icon twin! :D

Re: another stray from metaquotes

[wenelda.livejournal.com]

heehee, and the icon is true, too!

Re: another stray from metaquotes

[nobleplatypus]

Which is what makes it so luverly.

Totally another follower from Metaquotes. I am original.

[synthesize.livejournal.com]

Now, see, this is why I play on LJ. Because sometimes someone else will say what I think much more eloquently than I would ever be able to.

You rock. :D

Re: Totally another follower from Metaquotes. I am original.

[nobleplatypus]

Awww, thanks! :)

I'm only eloquent when I'm really pissed off. It's not fair.

[thecrazycricket.livejournal.com]

Hear, hear. That also annoys me, the people who say that forget what sets us apart from animals. We do share some things with other creatures, but we're different. If we weren't, we wouldn't be thinking about what makes us different or similar in the first place.